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Discussion: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

Subject: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: ontri d.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message: I know I'm a bit late here as this was announced 6 weeks ago, just a bit surprised there was no discussions about it...or did I miss it?

70.3 Syracuse, Boise, and Kansas, are each getting 100 Vegas slots, and still to this point have participants lists well under 1000.

Although I do understand why they are doing it, I just think that it kind of dilutes the quality of the field in Vegas, which to me is what this should be all about; making it an achievement to have qualified. It is after all billed as a World Championship race.



Discuss amongst yourselves...

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Suzanne C.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message: I think all I need to discuss is which one of these I should sign up for. Haha

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message: I agree Suzanne!

Bernie I don't think it will dilute them too much :) Yes the ones who get a few of the lower results won't have much of a shot winning their AG but they will still be pretty quick triathletes. The first year they had 70.3 worlds there were races that were giving out slots to whoever would take them. My buddy was around 6:45 for HIM and he took one of 2 spots still in his AG.

Syracuse is just plain cold that time of year but the other 2 are pretty good races wish I had a little more time to train but with the store getting ready to launch don't see it happening :(

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Amanda D.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message: I'm with you Suzanne!!!!

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: ontri d.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message: Jamie, you know the race in Syracuse as been moved from September to June this year (24th), right?

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message: No I didn't but that is prob the best idea they have come up with for that race. Although with the spring the NE is having it might still be too cold then LOL.

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message:
I might have to see if I can scoot up to Syracuse and fit that in! I agree with Jamie though, I don't think it will be that easy to qualify even with those numbers and I would be surprised if I could get a slot in my AG at Syracuse. I would probably need to go sub-4:45 on a reasonably hilly bike and run course.

And to play devil's advocate Bernie, didn't you get a deep roll down at Singapore for your Clearwater slot? I have nothing agaisnt this but it seems to go against your argument above? Or when you said "discuss amongst yourselves" did you mean not to bring you into it? :)

By the way, we were recently skiing in Tremblant and it's a beautiful place. The 70.3 there will be great!

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Suzanne C.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message: Sizzle... the sound of Clyde burning Bernie's ass :)

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: ontri d.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message: Lolll...it is funny Suzanne. Thing is posting this, I was expecting either Clyde or Jamie to toast me like that...:)

Devil's advocate...expect nothing less from you Clyde..haha!

I did...but I know you'll remember how many times I've said I didn't feel I belong there! I never really felt like it was an achievement for me to have made it there. Took the slot that day as I was still riding high from finishing my first ever race...like I was on drug or something!lolllll.
These days, having a great race and getting a PR is far more satisfying to me. In fact, I did skip races this year in which I believe I might've had a chance to qualify...like Singapore.

And of course, bring me into it anytime! I believe a little "sizzle" as Suzanne puts it is needed to wake up this sleeping website...

Who else wants to drag my face into it...bring it on!! Hehe :-P






Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message:
Lol Suzanne! And I knew Bernie could take the ribbing. But where's Lauri F when you want a good argument? Reminds me of Monty Python:

-Er, is this the right room for an argument?

- I've told you once!

- No you haven't...

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Tuesday May 01, 2012

Message: Bernie I couldn't toast you I coached you for worlds LOL.

I don't think Lauri is on here anymore her profile is gone and all her comments are ontri d. now :(

I don't think I could get a spot in the female 80-84 age group these days LOL

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Ron H.

Written on: Wednesday May 09, 2012

Message: It feels good to qualify for a championship and I do not think anyone can rib you for your time. In 1986 after racing USTS San Diego I got a letter stating that I had qualified for the USTS Nationals in Hilton Head, SC which at that time was a big deal. Two reasons I didn't go...#1) How could a 2:50:xx olympic (international) distance time get me qualification for a championship? #2) The Marine Corps would not give me the time off even if I had requested. Still felt good getting the letter. Must have been a mistake.

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Chris L.

Written on: Thursday May 10, 2012

Message: Well i am going to Kansas to get mine. On principal, I refuse to take a rolldown past the 10 spot. Passed those up already. However, if they bump the total slots to 6-7 in my ag- then why not consider that "belonging"? Thats usually top 5% in AG. Right?

I am back baby.

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Suzanne C.

Written on: Thursday May 10, 2012

Message: Chris L - holy crap. Welcome back.

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Tuesday June 26, 2012

Message:
Bernie, you can rest easy: the Vegas slots are still as hard to come by, even with 100 slots at Syracuse.

Some stats:
In 2011 70 racers went under 5 hours
In 2012 160 racers went under 5 hours (with a harder run course)
6 of the top 10 M40-44 who earned auto slots entered in the last few weeks (since the latest bib list was posted), flying in from places like Texas and Florida, so competition was hot.
You had to go under 4:54 to get a slot in M40-44 (again, with a tough run course)

My stats from Sunday:
Swim 0:32 (2 mins quicker than 2010)
Bike 2:46 (a minute quicker than 2010)
Run 1:46
Total 5:09 for 26th in AG.

So I will be going to Vegas, but only as a spectator/sherpa for Mrs C.

Chris, did you race Kansas? How did it go? I'm guessing the competition was pretty intense there also.

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: ontri d.

Written on: Tuesday June 26, 2012

Message: Thanks for reporting Clyde, and congrats on an awesome job nonetheless!
Ironically, I also raced 5:09 in Tremblant on Sunday!

My stats:
Swim 0:34
Bike 2:44
Run 1:43

Just a few quick remarks about the course, will be coming up with a race report shortly...

Nice swim in lovely Lake Tremblant...73 degrees on Sunday. Can be whitecaped at times, was dead flat for the race.

Bike: as expected, quite tough. Hilly. Most reported 3100+ feet elevation, although my 910xt said 3900. I tend to believe the majority. Repaved on 70% of the course, shoulders all redone. They went all out. Awesome bike course.

Run: also harder than most expected. Especially the last 6kms, mostly uphill. Spectacular finish through town.

5:09 was only good for 84th in M40-44, out of +-300...tough crowd!

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Wednesday June 27, 2012

Message:
Congrats Bernie! That's a great time on what sounds like a challenging course. I did a long training run in Mt. Tremblant last spring so I know what the terrain is like, especially heading back into the ski village. I heard it was a first class event - like REALLY good - so we may have to look at doing it one day. We will certainly return there for some skiing.

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Wednesday June 27, 2012

Message: I remember Eagleman had almost 500 go under 5 hours a few years ago. I haven't checked the stats in a bit on that race.

I think that no matter where you race you will need to be on top of your game to get a Worlds spot! I only see it getting tougher!

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Wednesday June 27, 2012

Message: Bernie nice race! Getting close to that sub 5! That sounds like my kind of course! I am thinking I will do IM Mount Tremblant in 2014 as long as the shop is running smooth.

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Jim K.

Written on: Wednesday June 27, 2012

Message: Clyde, let me play devil's advocate...you gotta get yourself a life pal :-)

Agree, 100 slots for worlds is still a tough gig.....age group times have dropped precipitously in the last several years....it's unreal how fast people are now. I raced out of my mind at Augusta a few years ago (4:57) and was like 62nd in my AG. Ugh.

Lopez....drop the silly pride fool!!! If you get a rolldown slot grab it...that's what they're for!!!!

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Wednesday June 27, 2012

Message:
Yeah, working on getting my life back now!

Jamie, I can imagine Eagleman having those kind of stats because it's a flat course and one of the few 70.3 Kona qualifiers. But yes, it's not getting any easier. That said, you can get lucky occasionally. A few years ago the Rhode Island 70.3 had quite a deep roll down where I likely would have got a slot had I been there, and last year's Syracuse race wasn't nearly as competitive as 2010 and 2012.

I also think the sport as a whole may have peaked, though no doubt someone can find a statistic to prove me wrong. But I do notice local races that used to sell out, no longer do. WTC seems to be going great guns though, as does Rev3, but I worry about local, smaller races surviving. Up here in the NE the trend is fewer and shorter races. Jerseyman, Black Bear, Devilman... all used to be half ironman races, but all are now shorter and the Jerseyman would have disappeared altogether if it hadn't been resurrected by a local coach at the last minute. Anyway, just my casual observations.

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Ronald F.

Written on: Wednesday June 27, 2012

Message: Clyde I was thinking that the sport was peaking too. On sencod thought there are now a lot of races to chose from. Like Herman Cain I don't have facts to back that up :)

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Jim K.

Written on: Wednesday June 27, 2012

Message: Don't know if the sport has "Peaked", but the market is definitely oversaturated- I agree. Just like every other business, the big box, deep pocketed corporations are squeezing out the little guy. Lots of our local races are now half full or going away altogether. Sad.

Subject: RE: 100 70.3Worlds slots!

By: Suzanne C.

Written on: Wednesday June 27, 2012

Message: Jim K - I know you are pro capitalism so I'm assuming that just came out wrong.... and this is hardly directed at you (or any of you)... I just feel like ranting (odd, I know).

The reason that WTC and Rev3 are dominating the market is because people CHOOSE to do their races (and it's certainly not for the great swag bag). Lately it seems I've been inundated with similar complaints - "big business is eating up the little guy." Yet people continue to buy their books from Barnes and Nobles, their groceries from Wal-Mart, their tools from Home Depot, eat at Applebees, and continue to do Ironman races. OH, and another thing. If you don't like the price of IM, then don't do it. WTC will get the picture once a race doesn't sell out in 12 minutes or less. Clearly they are able to charge that much. Why? Simple, because everyone is paying it. Side note... WTC is owned by a private equity firm (it is not publicly traded), so "technically" it's not big business (by definition...).

Rant over.

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