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Discussion: Lance Part 2

Subject: Lance Part 2

By: Jim K.

Written on: Thursday February 09, 2012

Message: Looks like he's got a lot mapped out; including trying to qualify for Kona at IM France!!! Lance, call me buddy and I'll give you a fly-by...those mountains can be rough!!!!

http://ironman.com/mediacenter/pre ssreleases/the-lance-armstrong-foundation-announce s-new-partnership-with-ironman-to-raise-1-million- for-people-affec?utm_source=feedburner&utm_med ium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ironman%2Ftopst ories+%28Ironman.com+Top+Stories%29#axzz1lwYXFT5h< /a>

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Teri d.

Written on: Thursday February 09, 2012

Message: This should be fun to watch! I bet he turns in a killer time on that France bike course.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Friday February 10, 2012

Message: Jim he lived and trained in France for a decade and won the Tour 7 times. Maybe you should have called him for advice on those hills LOL

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Aleck A.

Written on: Friday February 10, 2012

Message: Lance is racing as a pro. He will need to qualify along the points qualification so he needs every race to qualify, not just France. In fact, Panama will be a HUGE race for him, its the Pan Am championships and has more points than any race outside of worlds. He could have a top 5 finish and put a big notch in his belt.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Andy M.

Written on: Friday February 10, 2012

Message: Lance raced in France?

I am really looking forward to this.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jim K.

Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012

Message: Holy crap.....how did I EVER doubt Lance Armstrong; led the whole run, but passed by an Olympic runner in the last K. Continues to amaze.

PS- Ummmm.....Jamie, that was sarcasm. Please try and keep up :-)

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012

Message: Jim that was sarcasm to your sarcasm so you are the one who needs to catch up LOL :)

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012

Message:
Pretty impressive outing by Lance. No doubt he was very well prepared but I wonder if even he thought he could do something like that. This may result in some re-setting of his goals for future races...

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012

Message: I am pretty sure he thought he could do that :) It was others who thought he couldn't. As dialed in as he is to his body I don't think just going out there would have been enough. I think he would have won Xterra Worlds had he not crashed on the bike too. I am anxious to see how his other races match up now too!

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: charlotte d.

Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012

Message: Well done Lance!-)

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Teri d.

Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012

Message: Wow, he still is an incredibly powerful athlete. 2nd place is amazing. I wonder if they insisted on a drug test post race?

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Aliicia F.

Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012

Message: That was an amazing race to watch via the tracker..(it was nice that it worked).... i was wondering though and i am sure this is a stupid question... if he wants to qualify for Kona...why doesnt he register as a age grouper ? or is that impossible due to his results at Xterra ?

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Steven R.

Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012

Message: I had fun tracking him. Outstanding performance and for me it just shows what a different level professional athletes are at.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Michael S.

Written on: Monday February 13, 2012

Message: ye, but what can he bench press??? or squat???? probably not much at all.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Monday February 13, 2012

Message: Michael I would say he can squat a good bit considering he was leg pressing over a 1000 pounds during his TdF days. Carmichael got him on a weight program early in his comeback both upper and lower body. I would say that by the looks of this picture he can easily hold his own for what it is worth.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/ armstrong-pumps-up-for-tour-down-under/story-e6frf glf-1111118523000

Teri I think it is now standard for all podium finishers to get drug tested. I am not totally sure on that but thought I read it recently.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jim K.

Written on: Monday February 13, 2012

Message: Shocking to me that he beat Chris Lieto, Rasmus Henning, Matty Reed, etc etc. I've gone from questioning whether he can qualify for Kona to whether or not he can WIN. Simply amazing. First 70.3 ever.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Sasha C.

Written on: Monday February 13, 2012

Message: I read Lance was not too gracious to Docherty after the race.

Whether he was doping in the past or not, he'd have to be truly insane to risk tarnishing his legacy now.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Scott M.

Written on: Monday February 13, 2012

Message: WOW! We turned in a 3:50 in his 1st HIM on scorching day and ran a 1:17. Just WOW! What the hell can he do from here?

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Aleck A.

Written on: Monday February 13, 2012

Message: Yup, that gave him 1200 points. He chose his race schedule wisely, targeting the championship races. He should easily be racing in Hawaii. Now I am forced to change my race strategies this season to hopefully be on the course with him!

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message: Sasha, you can watch the finish here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTV 3_6F7ens

I cannot remember the finish of a pro triathlon where a second place finisher comes across the line and completely ignores the winner, especially when the winner has overtaken that athlete. I like watching Lance race and think he's an amazing athlete, but I would not aspire to be like him. That said, to his credit, he was more humble in the post-race interview so maybe we need to give him a pass here...

But every time I watch it I can't find an excuse for him. Docherty seems to feel the same (that he was blanked):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/o thersports/article-2100362/Lance-Armstrong-snubs-B evan-Docherty-finishing-second.html

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Aleck A.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message: Bevan has since detracted his statement, Lance did not realize that Bevan was standing there until after he was swept away by media and then to a van to be drug tested.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message: Really people are complaining about that? It isn't like he spit on him or anything or simply finished and moved on. I have seen way worse between the Kenyans and Ethiopians and other North African runners at the Olympics and major marathons. I think people need to lighten up a little bit and stop over analyzing every move Pro athletes do. It wasn't like Bevan was going out of his way to get to Lance either folks he stood on the side and didn't even move towards him. I saw absolutely zero wrong with that finish just my opinion but it doesn't look like either was in a hurry to shake anyones hand

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message:
Call me old fashioned but I think the guy who's just been beaten should have the good sportsmanship to find the winner and congratulate them, especially after a four hour tussle. Even in 100m sprinting where there is so much machismo and bravado the athletes pretty much always congratulate the winner afterwards. Agree, not a big thing, but I still think it speaks to his character and I don't buy the excuse "I didn't see him there" either. Can you imagine Chrissie doing that when she gets beaten?

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Steven R.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message: I think he is a serious threat next October. His team of coaches has plenty of time to get his racing strategy honed in. It sure seemed to me he was a little to conservative on the bike. Should be interesting !

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: ian d.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message: "Can you imagine Chrissie doing that when she gets beaten?"

Chrissie? Beaten?

*does not compute*

;-)


didds

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Rich S.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message: Too bad the news focused on this, what a race! Seems to me that the triathlon community collectively values supporting each other during the event, at the finish, etc. more than other sports; Lance may be more used to going to his support team and press duties after a race than kabitzing with other finishers. Still, how cool would it be to have Lance at the finish line when us age groupers finish? #EpicPhotoOp

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: John D .

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message: Lance is who he is, a great athlete, intense, focused and has goals. He did amazing well at Panama, but who expected something else, he was passed, and he will learn from this. I say he is very aware there are Other great athletes out there and he admires them but he wants to do the best he can and will strive for it, but I am sure he admires & respects the other athletes for who they are.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message: Clyde a few years ago at Xterra USA Jamie Whitmore was the guest of honor during her battle with cancer. She was one of 2 people at the finish line to congratulate Melanie McQuaid when she won. McQuaid ran right by her and then got 15 yards past her while she was trying to congratulate her. She then asked a camera man where is Jamie at and had to get redirected to her. That was with 2 people in the finish chute so yeah I can totally see him missing Bevan in the middle of 10-12 people especially when the guy isn't even advancing to meet him either. So if someone can miss the one person they are looking for out of 2 I think it is easy to miss someone in a crowd especially with all the press and officials around him within a few seconds of finishing.

Most winners I have seen like Macca, Chrissie and Alexander hang out on the finish line and go up to the other competitors not hang out in the crowd :)

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message:
You need to watch the video carefully again. There was not a huge throng of people to get lost in. There was a semi-circle of photographers at the back and Docherty was standing in front of all of them.

Your story backs up my point too. I'm not familiar with that situation but you say McQuaid made the effort to seek out Whitmore because she felt it was important for her to do so. Lance didn't do the same (assuming he genuinely missed Docherty the first time). And you can't compare one 'throng' to another, but you can compare the actions of the athletes.

And you can't seriously be blaming Docherty for not advancing towards him. The guy was standing at the finish line! Lance was the one finishing the race and moving.

To be honest it was probably just one of those situations that played out the way it did and no doubt Lance bore no ill will for Docherty beating him. And I get you are exhausted at the end of a tough race and shit happens, but I can honestly say I can never remember seeing any athletes in 2nd or 3rd position come across the finish and not congratulate the winner, and I watch most of the ITU events every year. That's all.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Sasha C.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message: I think it's almost instinctual if you're passed by the better man on the day to find him and congratulate him. My impression is that this is even more true in tri than in other sports. That said, there's no rule requiring it.

Regarding the African runners I could write you a whole dissertation on how they are, in a sense, deliberately severed from their typically gracious cultural roots when they get into these competitions. Nationalism has been overused, both as a tool to motivate the individual, and as a political lever to try to unite nations that were not natural assemblies to begin with. In addition, many of the runners feel a form of pressure few runners from other countries feel, as they try to support enormously extended impoverished families. They make no bones about the fact that they're not in the sport for the love of it. You'll note that those with long term success, like Tergat and Geb, are models of sportsmanship.

That said, it still pains me to hear Kenyans disparage Tanzanians after a race, and I would like to see all these countries work on a friendlier atmosphere in sport. (I have a special love for Tanzania, although in some ways I enjoy Kenya more, and it hurts me to see how TZ has fallen from the glory days of Shahanga, Bayi, and Juma.)

That Docherty withdrew his statement later simply suggests to me that it's important to him that there be no long term rancour in the sport. He must have found it weird and disappointing, having passed one of the greatest athletes in history, not to get some sort of acknowledgement, not to say a hug.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Aleck A.

Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012

Message: He missed him, was mobbed and was being tested within 3 minutes of crossing the finish line, nothing more nothing less. And quite frankly who gives a shit, if it were Richie Cunningham you would not even be bringing it up...

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Wednesday February 15, 2012

Message: My point backs up Lance he was mobbed and missed him in the 3 steps he was near him. McQuaid was looking for someone in a finish chute and missed her. So if someone can miss someone they are seeking out in an empty finish line setting then I find it quite easy to miss a guy in the middle of people.

Bevan didn't do much to advance is all I am saying. I have seen tons of races where the winner walks right up to the finish line to congratulate other people not stands 10 - 15 yards past the line off to the left. He didn't even say a word in Lances direction or reach his hand out either. I have missed my own parents and wife in finish line situations. Your head isn't on straight and you eyes are burning from sweat and water quite easy to not see someone thats all. I did St. Croix one year and Alexandar was going up to each finisher congratulating them as they finished so in some cases it works both ways. I see both sides and if Bevan waits for people to come up to him that is fine too that is his perogative.

I agree I am sure there are other triathletes that do this and no one says anything. Al Suten has snubbed Macca before and nobody seemed to care. We don't need a Disney ending for everything though :)


At the end of the day Lance congratulated him on the podium and said the right things. People are making it out like he shoved him out of the way and never said anything else about it.

On another note I am very interested to see how well he races IM France and wondering if his bike strength will come into play more there or if he plays it conservative again. I thought he could be competitive at smaller races like top 10 but he beat some really good triathletes here!


Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jim K.

Written on: Wednesday February 15, 2012

Message: I agree with Aleck (puke). Give the guy a break....He was redlined out of his mind and disappointed with second place...as any true competitor would be. Maybe he could have/would have done something different, but living in a 24/7 fishbowl with millions of people second guessing your every move isn't something any one of us can speak to. The guy is a tireless advocate for cancer sufferers, raises hundreds of millions of dollars for charity and gets knocked because he didn't shake hands at the right time? C'mon man!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Aleck A.

Written on: Wednesday February 15, 2012

Message: Puke? Jeez that's harsh... I think we actually see eye to eye on many thinks ;)

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: dale w.

Written on: Wednesday February 15, 2012

Message: Jim, he's been in this "fish bowl" for many years. It is not NEW to him! He should expect this. Lance is in a different league than the rest of us and all tri pro's. No one has mentioned that Lieto beat his bike split.(albeit by 8 sec.)Of course the spotlight is on him and everything he does.
When you are in that position, people expect more. I don't necesesarily agree but it is what the public expects.
Also, great fodder!

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Thursday February 16, 2012

Message: Lieto is famous for beating bike splits and fading on the run :) Actually a few people beat Lances bike split but couldn't beat him overall. It would be interesting to know how hard that effort was on the bike for him though!

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jim K.

Written on: Thursday February 16, 2012

Message: Aleck...KIDDING!!!! Dale I see your point.....to whom much is given, much is expected. He definitely carries a burden and gets many many rewards. Quick story: I'm in Tony Stewart's motor home at Daytona (3-time NASCAR champion...my company sponsor's his dirt car team). I give him the speech about how lucky he is, how cool it must be to be a jillionaire and be loved by millions....he just looked at me and said "you don't see the rest." Then we walk out of the motor home towards the pits...he's mobbed, people shoving things in his face, drunks stopping him for pictures....one guy drunk out of his mind wants a picture, but his girlfriend can't get the camera to work, and after about 5 minutes he politely says he has to get going. So the rednecks start cussing him up and down like sailors. Brutal. I quickly and profusely apologized. And Tony Stewart is no Lance Armstrong.

My point is, you cannot extrapolate your vaules or sense of "sportsmanship" to Lance. He has bad days, just like you. Only his all end up on Youtube.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Suzanne C.

Written on: Thursday February 16, 2012

Message: Jim K wants to be a jillionaire and be loved by millions? I never would have guessed...

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jim K.

Written on: Thursday February 16, 2012

Message: ummmmmm come on, who doesn't???? Already got the loved my millions down LOL

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Steven R.

Written on: Thursday February 16, 2012

Message: LMAO Jim ! No I don't want 2 be loved by millions ! Success breeds issues as evident in all the stars I've outlived. Seriously Lance has the resources and talent 2 win ! I would probably be an asshole 2 if I lived in a fish bowl.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message:
He's making a habit of this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar ticle-2124125/Lance-Armstrong-finishes-triathlon-d isappointing-seventh--ignores-daughter-finish-line .html

Roll out the excuses...

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: charlotte d.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: I saw that on the news. And he replied that it is a shame to even think he could do something like that. Ad I agree, he is a family man!! Those media people!!!

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Greg C.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: He's a doper AND doesn't love his daughter. Seriously, I finish a 5k sometimes and don't know what day of the week it is for about a minute. He looks delirious coming around the corner... it's kind of comical in a way

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Clyde W.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message:
At the next race he should make a point to stop at the finish and take a good look around, shake lots of hands and give a few hugs! :)

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Greg C.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: Yes! Equally important: His color schemes are horrendous, yuck!

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: dale w.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: Thanks Clyde and Greg. I needed the laugh.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Suzanne C.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: Which is worse... having poop running down your leg for all the world to see or ignoring your kid? Tough call. I would ignore my kid, hahaha.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Kris D.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: I think he might have kicked her too, its what any respectable father would have done.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Kent S.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: I think he was afraid the medal she was carrying to put around his neck was too heavy... LOL

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Ronald F.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: I think most anybody would be a zombi for a while after going all out for four hours. Most people would be puking and not thinking of etiquette.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: ontri d.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: First thing I want to see at the end of any tri is loved ones. How about Crowie grabbing his kid the minute he finishes the toughest race there is?

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Greg C.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: Betcha he'd find the time and focus to hug and smooch Ashley Olsen... know I would.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Teri d.

Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012

Message: No excuses. I was fried when I finished IMAZ and shocked to have Chrisse Wellington there handing out the medals. At least I said "thank you" (I was too dumbstruck/starstruck to say anything else.) I can't believe he was so self absorbed to walk past his own daughter.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Thursday April 05, 2012

Message: I ran past my own daughter last year after a race because I had a torn hamstring lost my title which I held for 6 years and needed a few seconds for the numbness in my leg to calm down.

Really who gives a shit what someone else does at the finish?? I think people need to stop worrying about every second of other peoples lives. It is their perogative what they choose to do. We can make our own decisions and that is about it.

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: ontri d.

Written on: Thursday April 05, 2012

Message: Yes, we can make your own decisions...and opinions.

When you're a superstar, you have to be prepared to live in the public eye. Everyone WILL give a shit about everything you do, good and/or bad. Your every moves will be watched and analyzed, like it or not. And that's about it.



Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jim K.

Written on: Friday April 06, 2012

Message: Geez people....come on. Who among you wants to be completely characterized by their WORST moments. I wonder how many stone throwers live in a glass house. So the guy's got a temper. Give him a break. Time to move on. Isn't Snookie or Kim Kardashian up to something????

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Ben G.

Written on: Friday April 06, 2012

Message: I was there at the finish line and shot this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?featu re=player_profilepage&v=HJo_aN4Eg2M
< br>To Lance's defense, it was really loud and hard to kind of see everybody or know exactly what was going on...

Subject: RE: Lance Part 2

By: Jamie B.

Written on: Friday April 06, 2012

Message: Agree with Jim. I have told family members to leave me the f--k alone after some races. They didn't fully understand what all I put into racing at that point in my life and didn't want to stand there afterward and talk. All I wanted to do was go to the tent and recover. I just raced for 3-5 hours didn't feel like making a diary entry yet. They understood after at dinner and we could talk about things and knew not to do stuff like that again and gave me space.

At worlds Sarah even told me and her parents to just get the hell away for 10 or 15 mins because she was suffering bronchitis and just had her slowest time ever. We as athletes know it is like that sometimes and I don't see anything wrong at all with it.

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