| Discussion: Lance Part 2 |
Subject: Lance Part 2 By: Jim K.
Written on: Thursday February 09, 2012 Message: Looks like he's got a lot mapped out; including
trying to qualify for Kona at IM France!!! Lance,
call me buddy and I'll give you a fly-by...those
mountains can be rough!!!!
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Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Teri d.
Written on: Thursday February 09, 2012 Message: This should be fun to watch! I bet he turns in a
killer time on that France bike course.
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Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jamie B.
Written on: Friday February 10, 2012 Message: Jim he lived and trained in France for a decade
and won the Tour 7 times. Maybe you should have
called him for advice on those hills LOL |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Aleck A.
Written on: Friday February 10, 2012 Message: Lance is racing as a pro. He will need to qualify
along the points qualification so he needs every
race to qualify, not just France. In fact, Panama
will be a HUGE race for him, its the Pan Am
championships and has more points than any race
outside of worlds. He could have a top 5 finish
and put a big notch in his belt. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Andy M.
Written on: Friday February 10, 2012 Message: Lance raced in France?
I am really
looking forward to this. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jim K.
Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012 Message: Holy crap.....how did I EVER doubt Lance
Armstrong; led the whole run, but passed by an
Olympic runner in the last K. Continues to
amaze.
PS- Ummmm.....Jamie, that was
sarcasm. Please try and keep up :-) |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jamie B.
Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012 Message: Jim that was sarcasm to your sarcasm so you are
the one who needs to catch up LOL :) |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Clyde W.
Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012 Message:
Pretty impressive outing by Lance. No doubt
he was very well prepared but I wonder if even he
thought he could do something like that. This may
result in some re-setting of his goals for future
races... |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jamie B.
Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012 Message: I am pretty sure he thought he could do that :) It
was others who thought he couldn't. As dialed in
as he is to his body I don't think just going out
there would have been enough. I think he would
have won Xterra Worlds had he not crashed on the
bike too. I am anxious to see how his other races
match up now too! |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: charlotte d.
Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012 Message: Well done Lance!-) |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Teri d.
Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012 Message: Wow, he still is an incredibly powerful athlete.
2nd place is amazing. I wonder if they insisted on
a drug test post race? |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Aliicia F.
Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012 Message: That was an amazing race to watch via the
tracker..(it was nice that it worked).... i was
wondering though and i am sure this is a stupid
question... if he wants to qualify for Kona...why
doesnt he register as a age grouper ? or is that
impossible due to his results at Xterra ? |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Steven R.
Written on: Sunday February 12, 2012 Message: I had fun tracking him. Outstanding performance
and for me it just shows what a different level
professional athletes are at. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Michael S.
Written on: Monday February 13, 2012 Message: ye, but what can he bench press??? or squat????
probably not much at all. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jamie B.
Written on: Monday February 13, 2012 Message: Michael I would say he can squat a good bit
considering he was leg pressing over a 1000 pounds
during his TdF days. Carmichael got him on a
weight program early in his comeback both upper
and lower body. I would say that by the looks of
this picture he can easily hold his own for what
it is worth.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/
armstrong-pumps-up-for-tour-down-under/story-e6frf
glf-1111118523000
Teri I think it is
now standard for all podium finishers to get drug
tested. I am not totally sure on that but thought
I read it recently. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jim K.
Written on: Monday February 13, 2012 Message: Shocking to me that he beat Chris Lieto, Rasmus
Henning, Matty Reed, etc etc. I've gone from
questioning whether he can qualify for Kona to
whether or not he can WIN. Simply amazing. First
70.3 ever. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Sasha C.
Written on: Monday February 13, 2012 Message: I read Lance was not too gracious to Docherty
after the race.
Whether he was doping in
the past or not, he'd have to be truly insane to
risk tarnishing his legacy now. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Scott M.
Written on: Monday February 13, 2012 Message: WOW! We turned in a 3:50 in his 1st HIM on
scorching day and ran a 1:17. Just WOW! What the
hell can he do from here? |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Aleck A.
Written on: Monday February 13, 2012 Message: Yup, that gave him 1200 points. He chose his race
schedule wisely, targeting the championship races.
He should easily be racing in Hawaii. Now I am
forced to change my race strategies this season to
hopefully be on the course with him! |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Clyde W.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message: Sasha, you can watch the finish here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTV
3_6F7ens
I cannot remember the finish
of a pro triathlon where a second place finisher
comes across the line and completely ignores the
winner, especially when the winner has overtaken
that athlete. I like watching Lance race and think
he's an amazing athlete, but I would not aspire to
be like him. That said, to his credit, he was more
humble in the post-race interview so maybe we need
to give him a pass here...
But every time
I watch it I can't find an excuse for him.
Docherty seems to feel the same (that he was
blanked):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/o
thersports/article-2100362/Lance-Armstrong-snubs-B
evan-Docherty-finishing-second.html
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Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Aleck A.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message: Bevan has since detracted his statement, Lance did
not realize that Bevan was standing there until
after he was swept away by media and then to a van
to be drug tested. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jamie B.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message: Really people are complaining about that? It
isn't like he spit on him or anything or simply
finished and moved on. I have seen way worse
between the Kenyans and Ethiopians and other North
African runners at the Olympics and major
marathons. I think people need to lighten up a
little bit and stop over analyzing every move Pro
athletes do. It wasn't like Bevan was going out
of his way to get to Lance either folks he stood
on the side and didn't even move towards him. I
saw absolutely zero wrong with that finish just my
opinion but it doesn't look like either was in a
hurry to shake anyones hand |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Clyde W.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message:
Call me old fashioned but I think the guy
who's just been beaten should have the good
sportsmanship to find the winner and congratulate
them, especially after a four hour tussle. Even in
100m sprinting where there is so much machismo and
bravado the athletes pretty much always
congratulate the winner afterwards. Agree, not a
big thing, but I still think it speaks to his
character and I don't buy the excuse "I
didn't see him there" either. Can you imagine
Chrissie doing that when she gets beaten? |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Steven R.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message: I think he is a serious threat next October. His
team of coaches has plenty of time to get his
racing strategy honed in. It sure seemed to me he
was a little to conservative on the bike. Should
be interesting ! |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: ian d.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message: "Can you imagine Chrissie doing that when she
gets beaten?"
Chrissie?
Beaten?
*does not
compute*
;-)
didds |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Rich S.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message: Too bad the news focused on this, what a race!
Seems to me that the triathlon community
collectively values supporting each other during
the event, at the finish, etc. more than other
sports; Lance may be more used to going to his
support team and press duties after a race than
kabitzing with other finishers. Still, how cool
would it be to have Lance at the finish line when
us age groupers finish? #EpicPhotoOp |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: John D .
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message: Lance is who he is, a great athlete, intense,
focused and has goals. He did amazing well at
Panama, but who expected something else, he was
passed, and he will learn from this. I say he is
very aware there are Other great athletes out
there and he admires them but he wants to do the
best he can and will strive for it, but I am sure
he admires & respects the other athletes for
who they are. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jamie B.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message: Clyde a few years ago at Xterra USA Jamie Whitmore
was the guest of honor during her battle with
cancer. She was one of 2 people at the finish line
to congratulate Melanie McQuaid when she won.
McQuaid ran right by her and then got 15 yards
past her while she was trying to congratulate her.
She then asked a camera man where is Jamie at and
had to get redirected to her. That was with 2
people in the finish chute so yeah I can totally
see him missing Bevan in the middle of 10-12
people especially when the guy isn't even
advancing to meet him either. So if someone can
miss the one person they are looking for out of 2
I think it is easy to miss someone in a crowd
especially with all the press and officials around
him within a few seconds of finishing.
Most winners I have seen like Macca, Chrissie and
Alexander hang out on the finish line and go up to
the other competitors not hang out in the crowd :) |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Clyde W.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message:
You need to watch the video carefully again.
There was not a huge throng of people to get lost
in. There was a semi-circle of photographers at
the back and Docherty was standing in front of all
of them.
Your story backs up my point
too. I'm not familiar with that situation but you
say McQuaid made the effort to seek out Whitmore
because she felt it was important for her to do
so. Lance didn't do the same (assuming he
genuinely missed Docherty the first time). And you
can't compare one 'throng' to another, but you can
compare the actions of the athletes.
And you can't seriously be blaming
Docherty for not advancing towards him. The guy
was standing at the finish line! Lance was the
one finishing the race and moving.
To be
honest it was probably just one of those
situations that played out the way it did and no
doubt Lance bore no ill will for Docherty beating
him. And I get you are exhausted at the end of a
tough race and shit happens, but I can honestly
say I can never remember seeing any athletes in
2nd or 3rd position come across the finish and not
congratulate the winner, and I watch most of the
ITU events every year. That's all.
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Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Sasha C.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message: I think it's almost instinctual if you're
passed by the better man on the day to find him
and congratulate him. My impression is that this
is even more true in tri than in other sports.
That said, there's no rule requiring
it.
Regarding the African runners I could
write you a whole dissertation on how they are, in
a sense, deliberately severed from their
typically gracious cultural roots when they get
into these competitions. Nationalism has been
overused, both as a tool to motivate the
individual, and as a political lever to try to
unite nations that were not natural assemblies to
begin with. In addition, many of the runners feel
a form of pressure few runners from other
countries feel, as they try to support enormously
extended impoverished families. They make no bones
about the fact that they're not in the sport for
the love of it. You'll note that those with long
term success, like Tergat and Geb, are models of
sportsmanship.
That said, it still pains
me to hear Kenyans disparage Tanzanians after a
race, and I would like to see all these countries
work on a friendlier atmosphere in sport. (I have
a special love for Tanzania, although in some ways
I enjoy Kenya more, and it hurts me to see how TZ
has fallen from the glory days of Shahanga, Bayi,
and Juma.)
That Docherty withdrew his
statement later simply suggests to me that it's
important to him that there be no long term
rancour in the sport. He must have found it weird
and disappointing, having passed one of the
greatest athletes in history, not to get some sort
of acknowledgement, not to say a hug. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Aleck A.
Written on: Tuesday February 14, 2012 Message: He missed him, was mobbed and was being tested
within 3 minutes of crossing the finish line,
nothing more nothing less. And quite frankly who
gives a shit, if it were Richie Cunningham you
would not even be bringing it up... |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jamie B.
Written on: Wednesday February 15, 2012 Message: My point backs up Lance he was mobbed and missed
him in the 3 steps he was near him. McQuaid was
looking for someone in a finish chute and missed
her. So if someone can miss someone they are
seeking out in an empty finish line setting then I
find it quite easy to miss a guy in the middle of
people.
Bevan didn't do much to
advance is all I am saying. I have seen tons of
races where the winner walks right up to the
finish line to congratulate other people not
stands 10 - 15 yards past the line off to the
left. He didn't even say a word in Lances
direction or reach his hand out either. I have
missed my own parents and wife in finish line
situations. Your head isn't on straight and you
eyes are burning from sweat and water quite easy
to not see someone thats all. I did St. Croix one
year and Alexandar was going up to each finisher
congratulating them as they finished so in some
cases it works both ways. I see both sides and if
Bevan waits for people to come up to him that is
fine too that is his perogative.
I
agree I am sure there are other triathletes that
do this and no one says anything. Al Suten has
snubbed Macca before and nobody seemed to care.
We don't need a Disney ending for everything
though :)
At the end of the day
Lance congratulated him on the podium and said the
right things. People are making it out like he
shoved him out of the way and never said anything
else about it.
On another note I am
very interested to see how well he races IM France
and wondering if his bike strength will come into
play more there or if he plays it conservative
again. I thought he could be competitive at
smaller races like top 10 but he beat some really
good triathletes here!
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Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jim K.
Written on: Wednesday February 15, 2012 Message: I agree with Aleck (puke). Give the guy a
break....He was redlined out of his mind and
disappointed with second place...as any true
competitor would be. Maybe he could have/would
have done something different, but living in a
24/7 fishbowl with millions of people second
guessing your every move isn't something any one
of us can speak to. The guy is a tireless advocate
for cancer sufferers, raises hundreds of millions
of dollars for charity and gets knocked because he
didn't shake hands at the right time? C'mon
man!!!!!!!! |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Aleck A.
Written on: Wednesday February 15, 2012 Message: Puke? Jeez that's harsh... I think we actually
see eye to eye on many thinks ;) |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: dale w.
Written on: Wednesday February 15, 2012 Message: Jim, he's been in this "fish bowl" for
many years. It is not NEW to him! He should
expect this. Lance is in a different league than
the rest of us and all tri pro's. No one has
mentioned that Lieto beat his bike split.(albeit
by 8 sec.)Of course the spotlight is on him and
everything he does.
When you are in that
position, people expect more. I don't
necesesarily agree but it is what the public
expects.
Also, great fodder! |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jamie B.
Written on: Thursday February 16, 2012 Message: Lieto is famous for beating bike splits and fading
on the run :) Actually a few people beat Lances
bike split but couldn't beat him overall. It
would be interesting to know how hard that effort
was on the bike for him though! |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jim K.
Written on: Thursday February 16, 2012 Message: Aleck...KIDDING!!!! Dale I see your point.....to
whom much is given, much is expected. He
definitely carries a burden and gets many many
rewards. Quick story: I'm in Tony Stewart's motor
home at Daytona (3-time NASCAR champion...my
company sponsor's his dirt car team). I give him
the speech about how lucky he is, how cool it must
be to be a jillionaire and be loved by
millions....he just looked at me and said
"you don't see the rest." Then we walk
out of the motor home towards the pits...he's
mobbed, people shoving things in his face, drunks
stopping him for pictures....one guy drunk out of
his mind wants a picture, but his girlfriend can't
get the camera to work, and after about 5 minutes
he politely says he has to get going. So the
rednecks start cussing him up and down like
sailors. Brutal. I quickly and profusely
apologized. And Tony Stewart is no Lance
Armstrong.
My point is, you cannot
extrapolate your vaules or sense of
"sportsmanship" to Lance. He has bad
days, just like you. Only his all end up on
Youtube. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Suzanne C.
Written on: Thursday February 16, 2012 Message: Jim K wants to be a jillionaire and be loved by
millions? I never would have guessed... |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jim K.
Written on: Thursday February 16, 2012 Message: ummmmmm come on, who doesn't???? Already got the
loved my millions down LOL |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Steven R.
Written on: Thursday February 16, 2012 Message: LMAO Jim ! No I don't want 2 be loved by millions
! Success breeds issues as evident in all the
stars I've outlived. Seriously Lance has the
resources and talent 2 win ! I would probably be
an asshole 2 if I lived in a fish bowl. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Clyde W.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message:
He's making a habit of this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar
ticle-2124125/Lance-Armstrong-finishes-triathlon-d
isappointing-seventh--ignores-daughter-finish-line
.html
Roll out the excuses... |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: charlotte d.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: I saw that on the news. And he replied that it is
a shame to even think he could do something like
that. Ad I agree, he is a family man!! Those media
people!!! |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Greg C.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: He's a doper AND doesn't love his daughter.
Seriously, I finish a 5k sometimes and don't know
what day of the week it is for about a minute. He
looks delirious coming around the corner... it's
kind of comical in a way |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Clyde W.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message:
At the next race he should make a point to
stop at the finish and take a good look around,
shake lots of hands and give a few hugs! :) |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Greg C.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: Yes! Equally important: His color schemes are
horrendous, yuck! |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: dale w.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: Thanks Clyde and Greg. I needed the laugh. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Suzanne C.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: Which is worse... having poop running down your
leg for all the world to see or ignoring your kid?
Tough call. I would ignore my kid, hahaha. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Kris D.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: I think he might have kicked her too, its what any
respectable father would have done. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Kent S.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: I think he was afraid the medal she was carrying
to put around his neck was too heavy... LOL |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Ronald F.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: I think most anybody would be a zombi for a while
after going all out for four hours. Most people
would be puking and not thinking of etiquette. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Bernie R.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: First thing I want to see at the end of any tri is
loved ones. How about Crowie grabbing his kid the
minute he finishes the toughest race there
is?
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Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Greg C.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: Betcha he'd find the time and focus to hug and
smooch Ashley Olsen... know I would. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Teri d.
Written on: Wednesday April 04, 2012 Message: No excuses. I was fried when I finished IMAZ and
shocked to have Chrisse Wellington there handing
out the medals. At least I said "thank
you" (I was too dumbstruck/starstruck to say
anything else.) I can't believe he was so self
absorbed to walk past his own daughter. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jamie B.
Written on: Thursday April 05, 2012 Message: I ran past my own daughter last year after a race
because I had a torn hamstring lost my title
which I held for 6 years and needed a few seconds
for the numbness in my leg to calm down.
Really who gives a shit what someone
else does at the finish?? I think people need to
stop worrying about every second of other peoples
lives. It is their perogative what they choose to
do. We can make our own decisions and that is
about it. |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Bernie R.
Written on: Thursday April 05, 2012 Message: Yes, we can make your own decisions...and
opinions.
When you're a superstar, you
have to be prepared to live in the public eye.
Everyone WILL give a shit about everything you do,
good and/or bad. Your every moves will be watched
and analyzed, like it or not. And that's about it.
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Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jim K.
Written on: Friday April 06, 2012 Message: Geez people....come on. Who among you wants to be
completely characterized by their WORST moments. I
wonder how many stone throwers live in a glass
house. So the guy's got a temper. Give him a
break. Time to move on. Isn't Snookie or Kim
Kardashian up to something???? |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Ben G.
Written on: Friday April 06, 2012 Message: I was there at the finish line and shot this
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?featu
re=player_profilepage&v=HJo_aN4Eg2M
<
br>To Lance's defense, it was really loud and hard
to kind of see everybody or know exactly what was
going on... |
Subject: RE: Lance Part 2 By: Jamie B.
Written on: Friday April 06, 2012 Message: Agree with Jim. I have told family members to
leave me the f--k alone after some races. They
didn't fully understand what all I put into racing
at that point in my life and didn't want to stand
there afterward and talk. All I wanted to do was
go to the tent and recover. I just raced for 3-5
hours didn't feel like making a diary entry yet.
They understood after at dinner and we could talk
about things and knew not to do stuff like that
again and gave me space.
At worlds
Sarah even told me and her parents to just get the
hell away for 10 or 15 mins because she was
suffering bronchitis and just had her slowest time
ever. We as athletes know it is like that
sometimes and I don't see anything wrong at all
with it.
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